The #1 Thing Most B2B Marketers Just Don’t Do

By Emil Shour

The #1 Thing Most B2B Marketers Just Don’t Do

It’s not running ads, creating email nurture programs, growth hacking, or “creating 10X content”.

But it is something that if done, and done right, has an enormous impact on every single thing we do as marketers.

You’ll create content that your audience loves, bring in more qualified leads for your company, and help your sales team close more deals.

Before I share what it is, let me back up…

I had just signed an offer letter to become Chili Piper’s Director of Demand Generation.

Thinking about all the marketing improvements and initiatives I wanted to get going with had me super excited to hit the ground running.

Our company makes software that helps B2B marketers and sales people improve the buying process for their prospects.

“Great!”, I thought. “I’m a B2B marketer – I know exactly who our customer is, what their goals are, and how our tool helps them.”

Plus I could just talk to our customer success team and a couple of our AEs to figure out exactly who we need to get in front of. They talk to our prospects and customers all the time.

But when talking to my good friend Kevin Dorsey (who is Head of Sales Development and Enablement at ServiceTitan and a super smart dude) about my plans for the new gig, the first thing he asked me was if I was going to be interviewing any customers.

“Sure”, I said. “Once I get some blog posts, ads, website revisions, messaging, and marketing automation setup, I’ll start interviewing our customers”

Kevin paused on the other side of the phone – a pause I know well and knew exactly what was coming next…

“Dude, you need to go interview your customers. Absolutely mandatory before you even see your company’s tool.”

 

(And for anyone that really knows Kevin you can imagine there was some emphatical cursing in there that I omitted)

Sigh… he was right (oh wise sales master).

I’ve done customer interviews in the past and know exactly how valuable they are. At my previous company, it was crucial in helping my team and I grow our organic traffic from basically nothing to 275,000 visitors a month, and help the business grow from 100 to over 4,000 monthly members.

I just figured I’d wait until I got the ball rolling on some other things first.

As marketers, we’re constantly drawn to the quick wins – the “dead-simple tactic” or “secret hack” that deliver short-term results without a long-term and sustainable strategy.

But how could I do any of our marketing if I don’t *really* know our customers and why (in their own words) they find our product useful?

Benji Hyam from Grow and Convert puts it perfectly in this post about user research.

From Benji:

“When you know your customer inside and out, that’s when you’re able to come up with ideas, messaging and tactics that will change the growth trajectory of your business.”

So before I launched any ads, wrote any blog posts (this is the first one by the way), or improved any of the copy on our website, I got to work on chatting with our customers.

Here’s my entire process for collecting customer interviews and how I’m using the insights from those interviews to improve our marketing.

Most importantly, I hope this will inspire you to go interview some of your customers whether you just started at a new company or have been putting it off for a long time.

How to Conduct Your B2B Customer Interviews

You have a couple of options here:

  • Interview customers via email
  • Interview customers over the phone
  • Interview customers over video call (zoom or facetime)
  • Interview customers in-person

I find in-person interviews to be the best because they lead to the most valuable insights. There are likely a couple reasons for that:

  1. Customers are usually willing to block off more time in person vs other mediums – people just want to get off the phone and they’re short over email
  2. You build the best rapport in person, which helps the conversation flow more smoothly
  3. You get an over the shoulder look at how they use your product, which helps you dig deeper and ask better questions than you would using one of the other options (more on this later)

I get it – it’s not practical to do a ton of in-person interviews (unless you have lots of miles on the company card), but if you have customers in concentrated areas, I would recommend you go do at least 2-3.

Your second best option is video call, preferably over zoom or skype so your customer can share their screen when necessary.

If phone or email are your only options, those are still good too.

 

How to Setup Interviews with Customers

I always like to have my coworkers who interact with our customers the most make the intro to ask for an interview. You’ll typically get more responses and people willing to do it that way.

Here’s the email I had Gaines (our Product Manager) send to a couple of our best customers in San Francisco:

A couple quick notes to point out about this email:

  • Gaines mentions that we’re looking to chat with some of our best customers – which is true and makes the person reading it feel appreciated
  • Gaines mentions that I’ll bring them some food – I hate coming empty handed, so I wanted to make it worth their time a little bit to meet with me. None of our customers took me up on the food offer, so I just brought them some cookies instead. Who doesn’t like cookies??

Here’s the email we sent to some of our other customers who I interviewed over zoom:

 

Customer Interview Questions

If you’ve read this far, you’re probably wondering what questions I decided to ask our customers.

Here’s the list of questions I wrote in a doc and printed out to bring with me:

  • What does a typical day in your role look like?
  • What’s a great day? What would be a huge win for you?
  • What kind of struggles have you had in the last week?
  • What has your career path looked like?
  • What sites/blogs do you read for professional development?
  • How did you find out about [your product/service]?
  • What was going through your head when you were looking for it?
  • What were you doing before you started using [your product/service]?
  • Why did you guys decide to start using [your product/service]?
  • Who on your team was involved in the evaluation and buying process?
  • How does [your product/service] fit into your day?
  • What does [your product/service] let you do that you couldn’t do without it?
  • What are some of the results you’ve seen since implementing [your product/service]?
  • How has Chili Piper personally helped you achieve your goals?
  • What’s it been like working with the [your company] team?
  • Why would you recommend [your company] to other [people you serve – i.e. data analysts]?

I can’t stress this enough: Use these questions as starting points, don’t just go through your list of questions one by one. A lot of the best insights you’ll get during interviews are in the follow-up questions that you didn’t prepare. Just be curious and let the conversation flow naturally.

It’s not listed in the interview questions above, but you should absolutely watch them use your product. You’ll find that each customer has a unique way of using your product.

 

Tips for When You’re Actually Conducting a Customer Interview

One thing nobody tells you about customer interviews that I think is important to point out…

It can be a little awkward at first, especially if you’re new at the company and you don’t know the product inside and out.

These “interviews” are really just open-ended conversations and your customers will likely have some questions that you might now know the answer to. It’s ok to say “I don’t know, but I can find out.” Just make sure to write those questions down, get answers, and follow-up with your customers.

The other thing I highly recommend is recording your interview instead of taking notes the entire time. That way you’re having more of a conversation than a note taking session.

With your customers permission, pull up the recording app on your phone, press start, and set it on the table for the duration of your conversation.

Then you can use a transcription service like Rev (which I’ve used in the past a ton for customer interviews) to transcribe all the audio into text. I’ve found it much faster to read through text to pull out insights versus listening to the audio, but to each their own.

 

BONUS: I’d also recommend watching or listening to as many sales calls/demos as you possibly can.

If your company has these recordings stored in your CRM, ask someone on sales to share recording where they:

  1. Had a really good call
  2. Walked through a lot of the different functionalities of your product/service.

You won’t get the same insights as customer interviews, but you’ll learn a lot about early objections your prospects have (which are AWESOME to incorporate into your marketing copy) and what exactly piques their interest about your product/service.

You also get to learn about the different stakeholders who are involved with making the buying decision.

 

What To Do After Your Research

So you’ve done your interviews. Now what?

The first thing you should do is take those transcriptions and write out all the good details and insights that you possibly can.

Here’s what my “Insights Doc” looks like:

At the top, I compiled all the best insights into one area. Then I have notes from each customer meeting separated out below that.

Now on to what I did with all these insights…

 

Used them for landing page copy on our ads

The exact words that your customers use make the best copy.

“I can’t think of any conversion or copy-focused activities that you can derive more value from in a shorter period of time [than customer interviews and surveys].”

-Joel Klettke, Business Casual Copywriting

So I took what our customers said (as close to verbatim as possible) and incorporated it into landing pages.

For example, one thing I head over and over again from our customers is how much they loved that it eliminated the wasted time their sales reps we’re wasting going back and forth via email with leads just to schedule a demo or meeting.

So I took that and added it right into one of our landing pages:

 

Took the benefits our customers love and put it in our emails

Here’s the new email I created for people who fill out a demo request form, but didn’t schedule a time with us:

 

 

Used those insights to improve our content strategy

I learned that a lot of the people who are actually responsible for implementing our software and managing it are marketing automation and sales operations folks.

With that in mind, I’m incorporating those people into our content strategy so we create useful posts and guides for them (called Customer Content Fit, which I learned about from the guys over at Grow & Convert).

 

Shared my notes with our team

Everyone in your company is a marketer, whether they realize it or not. We all work on things that face our customers and that our customers use.

Post it in the company slack channel, email it to the company listserv, whatever. Just make sure these highly valuable notes don’t sit in your silo.

There’s gold in these notes and they will without a doubt help each person in your company better understand and serve your customer.

 

Asked some of the people I met if they’d be open to doing a testimonial

If you talk to customers who absolutely love your product, you should definitely ask them if they’d be interested in doing a testimonial. Video is ideal, but written is great too.

The worst thing that happens is they say no (or their legal department says no). Always worth asking though in my opinion!

Here’s the email I sent to one of our customers after we had a great conversation:

Sometimes you’ll get people jumping for joy to take you up on it, but you’ll usually get an answer like this:

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One final thought – interviewing and talking to your customers should be an ongoing part of your marketing strategy.

Your product will change and serve different needs over time. Like all learning, getting insights from your customers is never a one-and-done thing.

So go, fellow B2B marketer – make time to meet with your customers! Learn about their problems, find out why they even bought your product in the first place, and use those insights to help your company grow.

A huge Thank You to all of our awesome customers who let me drop by their office or spoke with me over video! I know your time is extremely valuable and I appreciate that you were willing to spend it with me to learn more about you and how our tool helps you.

 

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